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Water Question

admin — Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:38:13 +0000

I received a comment last week that has sort of turned into a long letter so I will post it here.

Hi,

I am looking for a water purifier for my mother (who has osteoporosis) as they have just begun flouridating the water where she lives. I've checked into both Nikken (of which I have a PiMag system) and Zazen (which appears to be a little cheaper) and there are a couple of things that concern me on the Zazen site.

"High in Antioxidants - eliminates free radicals" - How is this possible?

"It also helps increase the amount of oxygen (a natural antioxidant) in the water – oxygen is actually absorbed 10 x faster in water than from breathing!" How on earth is oxygen an antioxidant? This sounds like an oxymoron to me.

I know you don't represent Zazen, but as you recommned both I wondered if you knew anything further about this?

Kind regards,
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Hi XXXX.
Sorry for the delay on this reply. Have you found a filter yet?

There are a number of issues in your short post. Thanks for the opportunity to answer them.

Osteoporosis is a fairly well understood disease in terms of nutrition although most people find it difficult to understand.
Firstly, osteoporosis is rarely caused by an inadequate intake of calcium. It is most often the amount of calcium we excrete that is the issue. Taking excess calcium can slow down the progress of the problem but usually does not address the causal issues. There was a chinese study recently of several hundred vegan buddhist nuns that found not one single case of osteoporosis and their average intake of calcium was less than 400mg per day.

Most often the issues are to do with a diet with high levels of inflammatory agents. There are a couple of posts on my site that address some of these issues. Osteoporosis can also be a disease symptom but that is not very often the case. If you want more information feel free to get in touch.

Regarding the Zazen system. The owners of the business are friends of mine and while I have nothing to do with their business I am quite happy with the Zazen system.

The comment about the antioxidants, well! That can actually be a rather long story, however the short version is. Vitamins are not the only antioxidants. Quite a number of minerals are too, and some of those minerals are too. Some of those antioxidants are the electrolyte chemicals that the systems replace in the water. So yes the Zazen and Pimag systems produce water with the ability to neutralize free radicals.

I will leave the oxygen question alone for now. Suffice it to say they are correct but the answer is long and complicated and rather boring for anyone who has not got an interest in the minutiae of biochemistry.

Anyway, the outcome is that I do support the Zazen and the Nikken systems. As a distributor of Nikken I naturally lean that way but I certainly do not believe that one is 'better' than the other.

Regarding fluoride.

Do not get me wrong. I am, do and always have absolutely opposed adding fluoride to drinking water. I think it is a dangerous and rather stupid thing to do. There is, in my opinion, no reasonable scientific proof to support adding it to water supplies.

However, (Taking a deep breath here) I believe that for most people, fluoride in the water is a dangerous mis-focus from real issues. Fluoride fears come mainly from the marketing arms of filtration companies.

Fluoride is a natural and necessary nutrient for our bodies. We require is for a number of chemical process including bone and tooth health. Mind you we normally get it in the form of calcium fluoride in plants. And I believe that if it needs supplementing we should be doing that through fertilizer in gardens not in water supply. (Besides the point.)

Now the point at which fluoride becomes toxic (several grams for the average person, not milligrams) would require that you drink several hundred litres of water a day on an ongoing basis to have a negative effect. If you do the research you will see that town water supplies do put a low level in. There are many locations around the world that have much higher naturally occurring fluoride levels than ours.

In Australia, our government has done research and found that the filtration methods that remove fluoride are often unreliable so have created codes about claims to remove fluoride. The most reliable (cheap) filtration method to remove fluoride uses aluminium as a base. It is this that companies use for normal filters. This is because we can get an accurate estimate of the fluoride removed over the life of the filter. This is not possible with other filters.

So while many filters, including the Nikken and Zazen filters, will remove a large portion of fluoride in the water there is no way to give reliable estimates of the life of the filter or of the levels of fluoride removed. This is why Australian standards do not allow these claims to be made.

However is is not commercially viable to make small numbers of filters to remove fluoride. Very expensive to produce small numbers of anything.

My personal opinion is that this is the reason behind the fluoridation scares. (Please, remember that I do not support water fluoridation)

Now, having said all of that, there are a small number of people for whom even these low levels are toxic, hence the change in laws so that you cannot sue the government for damage caused. These people do need to find a water source that does not have sodium fluoride or to find a way of removing it. This is where a fluoride filtration system comes in.

There are many types of these but a small under sink filter will suit most people. Try ringing Byron at Water Filter world at Graceville. However doing all of that still does not address any of the issues addressed by the Nikken PiMag and the Zazen system so I would still consider that one of these is needed after any other system....

Hope all of that helps. Feel free to contact me direct if you have more questions.
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Kindest Regards

Francis McGrath
OasisLiving.com.au
Email: androdynamics@gmail.com
Ph: 0409 670 218

Water and Wellbeing!

admin — Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:36:14 +0000

About 30 years ago I started work with a local government here in Queensland working at a water treatment plant. It was a very interesting job. I trained for around 3 years studying chemistry and treatment techniques. We produced over 1,000,000 litres of water a day.

According to the training I had, we considered that water to be safe and drinkable. We regularly checked water quality around town and the state government also collected and checked the water quality.

You may not realize this, but Australia, and Queensland in particular, has some of the worlds most stringent standards for drinking water quality and has the least incidence of health issues. The water here is the safest drinking water on Earth.

While following this career and later in Ambulance and Nursing I also developed a healthy distrust of plastic containers and what the chemicals in thos plastics do to water. By the time I finally started studying Nutrition at university I was one of those who told everyone not to waste their time buying a water filter or buying bottled water.

I still say that in Australia, in most locations, bottled water is a crazy waste of money.

There are many issues to do with plastics. I will go into them later in detail.

But suffice it to say, that I do agree with the plastics industry, plastic is safe, if used in the right way.

But nobody does.

Do you keep plastic containers in a cool dark place away from sunlight.
Do you rinse them before use.
Do you never heat food in them.
Do you replace the water after 12 hours.
Etc ETC.

So my answer to people still is, Do not buy or drink PET bottled water or softdrink. Glass or cans only. Mind you cans are normally lined with plastic anyway.

As far as most water filters are concerned, most only change the taste slightly and have little effect on the quality of water. It does make it likely that you will drink a little more and that will help but what do you do if you really want access to good quality, healthy and safe water.

Strangely enough the answer may come from Eastern Asia. I have come across 2 systems that seem to have a different philosophy on water. Both of these systems started life looking at the question; What is the best quality of water that it is possible for us to drink? And they really went to town looking at the research from all over the world on water and water quality. They looked at magnetics and European spas. They studied the works of Masaru Emoto and they looked at the research in Korea and Japan. They come to some startling conclusions.

Water that does not make us ill is not always the best quality water available.
There are issues that western technology ignores.
Homeopathic theories have an impact on water quality.
Water has a molecular memory.
Even drinking enough of the wrong kind of water may leave us dehydrated.

Now with my background this was like waving a red flag at a bull. Obviously this was pseudo science at its worst. Sales and marketing under the guise of health information. So I started researching them.

After around 6 months, I too came to some startling conclusions. They are right. There are issues that we in the west have little or no understanding of. There are things about water quality that we do not take into account.

So what is my stance now?

I still recommend that you do not buy or drink water or softdrink in plastic containers. I still suggest that you buy a special container if you want to carry a water bottle, (and I suggest that you do carry a water bottle). Drinking water out of your tap is safer and cheaper than plastic bottled water or softdrink.

However if you want to do something to drink safer healthier water look at a ZAZEN or NIKKEN water system.

As far as I can see they are two of the best systems on the market.

More to come! and Have a great day!

Fluoride and drinking water

admin — Sun, 15 Feb 2009 20:42:55 +0000

I recently had an email from someone asking about fluoride in drinking water and its removal. I decided to post my response as well as email it.

Dear ________

I am a nutritionist, although I once worked for local government in QLD. In that capacity I operated water treatment plants and ran the laboratory's for them.

I have to say I understand your concerns about fluoride in the water. It is a rather nasty chemical and very difficult to get rid of. There is currently only one type of filter that is on the market that will remove fluoride from you water. That is an aluminum filter which is almost as bad, in my opinion.

The filter that Nikken uses removes some/most of the fluoride from the water but it is not designed to do so and it is not legally claimable that it will do so. I have had several tests done by labs and a large proportion of the fluoride was removed although there was some left. This will also shorten the life span of the water filter as some of the chemical filter components end up saturated faster. This is not a claim that the Nikken filter can remove fluoride and should not be taken as one. However, fluoride occurs naturally in pretty much all water supplies so it is natural for there to be some in all drinking water.

For me, one of the issues that you face is that the Nikken system does much more that just filter the water. For that reason I would not suggest replacing it with another system as you still need the magnetic and mineral stone properties of the system.

You have several options, some of them fairly expensive. "Water fi lter world" has small above and below bench systems that will remove fluoride. These are the aluminum filters that I was mentioning. They also have a small reverse osmosis system that will give you water that has everything removed, but you would definitely need to run it through the Nikken system and I would suggest putting it through an optimizer to remove the water memory of the treatment.

One of your main issues is that reverse osmosis and distillation systems give water that, to my mind, is worse for your body than what often comes out of the tap. For this reason I usually suggest that people do not use them, at least not on their own.

Beyond that it is very much price and personal opinion that will drive what sort of system you go for. Your options are fairly much, reverse osmosis, distillation, and condenser systems. The osmotic and distillation systems can be found at most good water filter stockists such as the link above. The condenser systems are relatively new. They are effectively a dehumidifier and a storage tank to collect the condensation. The only issue with these is that they also collect any impurities and toxins in the air such as lead or other car exhaust fumes or particulate matter such as well as pollens etc. However the water will almost certainly contain trace fluoride levels as there is fluoride in the atmosphere at trace levels. Depending on your location and the lab it may be so low as to remain effectively unmeasurable. In this case it may not have any affect on you.

At the very low end concentrations fluoride is normally considered harmless to most people but if you have had a condition that fluoride affects then you may wish to consult a medical practitioner as to whether the condensation system is what you want.

The outputs of all of these types of systems are still not aligned with natural water supply quality so I would suggest putting that into the Pimag system and then optimize it.

Regarding your question about distillation. Yes that would effectively remove all of the fluoride, how water stills are fairly expensive to purchase and run, as such it may not be your best long term option.

If you would like to talk more or ask any further questions feel free to email me.

Water

admin — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:44:26 +0000

I have been thinking more and more about a question asked of me last week about why i support NIKKEN so strongly. It has required some thought to understand my reasoning. I will post it over the next few days.
My first reason is the water.

While many people fail to keep up with science research I am a regular reader in areas of Medicine, Complimentary and Alternative medicine CAM), Quantum Physics research, and Consciousness research, ETC. While many researchers and writers fail to do much cross disciplinary research, it occurs to me that much of the research being done is looking at the same issues from different directions.
A constant thorn in the side of many health professionals is that Homeopathy works often enough to not be explainable by the placebo affect. Another is the placebo effect itself. Quantum physics and Consciousness research both have responses to this issue that are not only logical but intuitive based on real world experience.

Homeopathy uses the memory of liquids to carry a "principle of similars" to assist in the rearrangement of an imbalnce in a persons life force. Strangely enough it works well enough that such credible people as the English royal family use and support homeopathy. How does this relate to NIKKEN Pi-Mag water.

Easy: Water seems to carry and extraordinary range of eco-social experiences with it. We speak of water being flat, and numerous other adjectives which I am sure will come to mind. Now some of these are based on whether or not the water is aerated or not, has a hi or low mineral content, whether it has been sitting or running, and there are many other variables. However water also seems to hold some non measurable qualities.

For instance why does running water seem to taste better if it has been in the sunlight. If we believe in the "Principle of similars" water retains a memory of it's experience. If it has been treated with toxic chemicals, poisoned and filtered it may now be safe for us to drink but is it the best quality that we can drink or is it just safe.
Having been a water treatment plant operator, I absolutely believe that your tap water is safe, (in most places) and is better for you that tank water. Because of the removal of the vast majority of toxins in Rain and surface water. However it still retains a number of chemicals that I believe we should not ingest.

If treated with chlorine, it will not only contains chlorine it will contain the chlorinated dead bodies of any organics pathogens killed by the chlorine after it leaves the treatment plant. These Tri-halomethanes along with other chemicals are not natural nor is your body adapted to deal with them.

Our bodies also developed to drink mineralised water. So I do not support the idea of drinking excessively filtered or treated water. I believe, and there is scientific evidence to show that, distilled water while safe is not the best possible water for us to drink. This is a debate that has raged for decades and will probably continue to do so in the future. My response is that while there is evidence for and against, our bodies developed to drink mineralised surface water.

There never has been, to my knowledge, any evidence found of pure distilled water existing in nature.

So there are 3 separate issues.

Fluid memory
Toxin removal and
Remineralisation.

In terms of cost and ease of use I believe that Nikken has developed the most cost effective response to these three issues.

The Pi-Mag water system filters the undesirable elements from the water, remineralises the water and uses magnetic fields to remove the waters "memory."

Try one. I did and the water tasted so much better that after 25 years of laughing at the idea I finally bought a water filter.

Besides, I just like the taste, and I am now experiencing less illness in my life than prior to meeting NIKKEN

Healthy Water

admin — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:41:31 +0000

Well, Beginning of February and I am back in Brisbane to the disappointing news that there is now fluoride in the drinking water. Very sad, since many countries in Europe that have tried the experiment have now discontinued the practice. It seems that there is not enough change in dental health to support the practise. Well I guess the american companies had to market their poison somewhere.

At least my Pimag water system will remove some of the fluoride. I will investigate the amount that it removes and post it here. The filter is not rated to remove fluoride, so the company canot make any claims about that, but my own test have shown that it removes a percentage.

I am also going to write them and see if they can produce a filter that is rated to remove flouride from the water. This push is not really something I understand as a health professional. I have seen little independent evidence that there is a long term positive effect from the flouride addition to water.

Healthy water, the kind that is fresh and full of electrolytes does often have a small amount of flouride in it. The ocean has up to 1.5Mg/L depending on where you live. So it is everywhere, but to add it to our drinking water seems a little crazy.

One of the really sad things is that very few filter systems can actually remove fluoride from our water. Only an activated alumina filter can be rated to remove fluoride from our drinking water. Otherwise you will need to invest in a reverse osmosis filter or distillation unit. Both are very expensive and have a small supply so are out of the reach of most people. An activated carbon filter will remove some fluoride but they fail to remove all fluoride and it shortens their working life by an unspecifiable amount.

So In the meantime I will continue to drink water from my Nikken Pimag system and change the filter more rigularly that I was doing.